Season 3

[TRu]

Talk about the season finale episode 3x25 "An Invisible Thread" here!

[kpatrik]

On the whole I was pleased with the finale, right up to the last 10 min. or so. I was sitting in my chair yelling at the T.V. "But you have Claire!!!" A little blood and Nathan comes back to life!!! Why go through such extreme lengths (that will obviously not work in the long run) when you could just chop off Sylar's head and bring the real Nathan back to life. Noah was brought back to life after a couple of days, and he got shot in the eye! Are we really supposed to belive that he forgot about that? And Claire was right there in the building! Arrrrgh! And it was a pretty good episdoe up untill that point. BTW - I loved it when Peter took down Sylar, it showed careful planning and excution on his part (for a change). Also, the other plot hole (aside from the whole lets make Sylar into Nathan instead of saving the real Nathan thing) that kind of bothered me was how did Sylar get the Puppetman power? If he killed Doyle and took his power during the Primatech lockdown, then how come Doyle has his web show spin off now? Maybe he killed him while he was a prisoner in building 26? Also, I totaly called Sylar shifting his kill spot last week! Yay me!

[kpatrik]

And I'm the first to post this week! Double Yay Me!!!

[Emiko Ishimura]

Creepiest. Episode. Ever.

Although I'm sure I can pick out a few things I didn't like about this episode in a few moments, I'll start positive by talking about what I did like. The Hiro & Ando business was a little less laughs and more serious business which I like, plus I was really worried that Hiro might have been the one to die. That would have pissed me off majorly as Hiro & Ando are my favorite two characters, second to only Sylar.

On the topic of Sylar, his TK-puppetry with Claire was extremely creepy and had me cringing the whole time. On a side thought, I've never seen Sylar use his TK with such fine control before. I was also spot-on perfect about predicting one tiny little thing: Sylar shapeshifting Claire to play mindgames. +1 bonus point for me.

So after the Peter & Nathan vs. Sylar battle, I'm guessing Peter absorbed every single one of Sylar's abilities. I so did not want this. And now that Peter has Sylar's Intuitive Aptitude again, does this mean he will go berserk and go on a murderous rampage again? Anyways, I didn't like that Peter suddenly got all of Sylar's abilities fed to him with a silver spoon. Does this mean if Peter absorbs another person's abilities, Sylar's ability set is erased and replaced with the new person's ability? If Peter's ability replication works the way it has been shown to work, then this is what should happen.

Nathan's death: so predictable, and slightly disappointing. Not to mention kind of disgusting - throat slit by TK? It was painful watching Angela react to Nathan's death in the sense that I had a tear in my right eye at that moment, I've never seen her lose her composure like that before. And there was a kind of poetic justice when Matt "reprogrammed" Sylar into Nathan, followed by an incredible feeling of creepiness when I see Nathan, knowing that it's Sylar behind that face. How many people know that Sylar now thinks he's Nathan? Let's see: Angela, Matt, Noah come to mind. I forgot if Peter and Claire were witnesses.

I was kind of saddened watching Sylar's life flash by as his previous memories were suppressed/erased, he was my #1 favorite character & villain. But at least this makes things interesting in the next volume, where we already see that Matt's work was not perfect: hints of Sylar are already slipping through.

Overall, satisfying episode for a finale. However, very disappointed that Peter was handed Sylar's entire arsenal of powers.

And major edit because I forgot a major detail. Tracy's return: while incredibly predictable (Ali Larter is permanently superglued to the Heroes studio), but during the few moments she was on screen, her presence kind of hinted at her now being a villain. The question is why? What's her motive? Did her reformation mess up her brain or something?

[Isaac Mendez]

To Emiko: I think Tracy just wants revenge...but you would think that what Micah told her would make her change. Hmmmm.

I think that Sylar doing puppet like powers may be like he did with Elle. Took it without killing him. 

[Deceit]

Pros
- I had it figured that the end of this episode would bring the true rebirth of The Company. Which is why I put this season finale above the previous two. This is how you end a season. When you're guaranteed more seasons, you don't have to throw everything into a season finale. We don't need hints of big explosions and viral epidemics. Stuff like that is almost always going to be stopped by the heroes, so there's no reason for it. This season finale proved that relatively action-free content can be just as effective (if not moreso) than action-packed content. The whole episode seemed like a battle of wits, which Sylar eventually lost (although he's still alive so I guess he didn't REALLY lose).

- It's nice to see they found such an innovative way for Nathan to stick around. I was really bummed to see Nathan die, but in an odd way this made up for it. This is the kind of stuff that only happens in comic books, and I'm glad to see we're at that point. One has to wonder if Matt will now be guilt-ridden for essentially playing God. Granted Angela allowing Sylar to have the history ability plays a huge role, Matt is responsible for putting the heart and soul (in a sense) of Nathan into Sylar. Obviously it won't last forever, but it'll be interesting to see unfold.

- Thank you Heroes writers for explaining how Sylar survived the previous episode!

- Speaking of Sylar, what a genius way to setup Danko.

Cons
- I can't stand Peter. It's not just the character and the actor playing the character. It's how the character is treated. They just couldn't let it go. For the third season finale in a row, Peter had to play a major role. Save Nathan, then fight Sylar, then save the president, then stop Sylar, then gain a ton of abilities (again). Matt Parkman ultimately took the spotlight, but not before doing absolutely nothing before the megaton story-shifting moment.

- The Sylar/Claire thing would've been a pro had they not flushed it down the toilet before the episode even ended. I hope they get back to this twisted relationship. This isn't exactly the first time it's been teased. While it was a bit closer this time around, it's been hinted since season one that the two have a connection. In season one Claire was the one person Sylar needed but could never get to. In this season Sylar talks to Claire as he tinkers with her brain, before telling her she's special. Later on, after The Company's building burns to the ground, Claire tells Angela that Sylar is still alive because she can feel it in her gut. And again it sounds like I'm loving this concept, but it got scrapped at the end of this episode.

- Tracy is the villain? Apparently having one of the more heroic moments in the season doesn't mean much, considering that was the last time we saw her. The only way out of this arc is with a Danko feud, and even then I'm not sure how much I'd like it.

[PhantomLord]

I agree with kpaptrik, when I saw Nathan die, I thought so what, Claire will donate her blood and everything will be alright. I wonder what was Nathan's plan in the first place. He was going to meet Sylar and do what exactly?
There were three people that could think of Claire's blood - Angela, Noah and Claire, but they didn't. Why is that?
Just think about it, Angela and Noah trust Matt's power so much that they think that he can turn Sylar into Nathan and it will work out on a long distance. Personally, I don't think so.
BTW, where's Danko? I think we will see him again someday.
I was glad that Peter didn't fail to use his abilities right, otherwise he would be such a waste in the heroes world.
And I'm very sorry for Hiro, imho he is the best candidate to be the head of The Company. Who would you want to see on that job?

[serojay]

Overall, not the best episode of this season.
It wasn't all bad though.

I'm glad that Nathan has finally died and I'm hoping that Sylar makes a speedy return next volume so that Nathan can be done for good.

I'm glad Peter got some powers back and actually managed to stop Sylar this time. Shows how far he has come since his days of ruching into a situation without thinking first. This plan was calculated.

I wish they'd shown more of Hiro and Ando's story in the episode. My guess is that Hiro will eventually die.

Tracy? Or is it...?
I dunno.
We were told she'd be a hero next season so it would make more sense if it turned out to be Barbara but my guess is that they just changed the plot a little.

[kpatrik]

I don't think Peter absorbed all of Sylar's abilities at all. I think he only absorbed the one (shapeshiftying). I have two points to support this:
1. When Claire asked if Peter could fly after Nathan & Sylar, Peter replied that he couldn't. If he had copied all of Sylar's abilities he would have been able to fly after them (as we saw in a latter scene, Sylar could fly)
2. His wounds didn't heal after first fighting Sylar. If he had cloned all of Sylars powers he would have been able to heal instantly. In fact he was still wounded after morphing from the President back into himself.
So I'm pretty sure all Peter got out of Sylar was shapeshiftying.

[serojay]

I don't think Peter absorbed all of Sylar's abilities at all. I think he only absorbed the one (shapeshiftying). I have two points to support this:
1. When Claire asked if Peter could fly after Nathan & Sylar, Peter replied that he couldn't. If he had copied all of Sylar's abilities he would have been able to fly after them (as we saw in a latter scene, Sylar could fly)
2. His wounds didn't heal after first fighting Sylar. If he had cloned all of Sylars powers he would have been able to heal instantly. In fact he was still wounded after morphing from the President back into himself.
So I'm pretty sure all Peter got out of Sylar was shapeshiftying.

Looking back on it, I think you might be right.
Also, in the car with Sylar he said something like "I bet you didn't think I took that power" or something to that effect. If he'd taken them all, he wouldn't have had to say this.
Ah well, I guess that keeps things interesting for next season 

[HiroesFan]

Good episode. I'm glad the way it ended, 'cos I'm not crawling trough the floor in my desperation to see the next season, but I'm still waiting for it. It's like you've eaten a full plate of food, and you don't feel hungry but not too full either.

It really made me feel worried when Hiro kept using his powers all the time. But saving all those other "heroes", reminded me of this one graphic novel, that told how Future Hiro and Future Peter saved "heroes" in the future (where else?  ).

I agree with kpatrik and PhantomLord: it wouldn't have been too difficult to get Claire up in that room and to save Nathan. Well, let's just imagine that it was simply humanity that got on the way; everyone was too shocked to go find Claire. Although they weren't too shocked to realize, that by using Matt's power they couldn't erase all of Gabriel gray's memories and turn him into Nathan Petrelli... I think that's called brainwashing. 

So "Redemption", huh? It was pretty hard to come up with a possible plot, unlike with "Fugitives", especially with the guite simple sneak peek at the end of the episode. Unlike with this one; apparently Tracy's a villain. What for? Who knows, maybe she traveled in extremly dirty waters.    But no, it seems that she just wants revenge. After all, we saw that at least one of the people she killed was a ex-guard in Building 26. And after being in the sewers for at least a little over six weeks, she has missed quite a lot.

Sylar becoming Nathan felt a little sick - like i said, brainwashing - but i liked the way they did it. When Nathan/Sylar was bothered by that clock so much.... Well, it really did gave me the creeps, but part of me still thought, "Cooool......"

The credit for the best sentences goes to...Sylar!
I'm too lazy to go and check what his actual words were, but when he started to say all those names of people who are going to die... The way he said "mr. Muggles" was hilaroius, not to mention when he called Lyle Larry. I think he did it on purpose; after all, he's supposed to have the memory ability from Charlie. Never the less, funny anyways.

And then the other Sylar's sentence that i found funny:
Claire: "I'm going to make sure you'll die, even if it takes the rest of my life." (or whatever she said...)
Sylar: "Well, everyone needs a hobby."   

And then just one wild guess: i think - as it seems that Matt didn't do such a good job with his brainwashing technique - that Claire could possibly be the thing to change Sylar back to...normal?
Besides, i truly think that it's only a matter of time before Sylar's himself again;
He knew that the clock was running early, so he hasn't lost his powers, and like Adam said in the second seson, the healing ability makes the mind to repair itself. Of course, this is little different than Peter's lost memory (Peter did well tonight, by the way), but as the real Sylar is still in there...

Can't wait to see Mama Petrelli's face when "her son" dies for good.
i can see it in my head:
 
Something big has happened, and Mama runs to Nathan's office. Nathan's there, watching out of his window.

Mama: Nathan. Oh my child, I'm so glad to see that you're okay."     
Nathan: Oh yes, I'm just fine.

Then Nathan turns, uses telekinesis, and throws Mama Petrelli to a wall, holding her there, face to Nathan.

Nathan: And I'll just feel even better when I have your power.

Nathan changes into Sylar. He raises his finger and kills Mama Petrelli, taking her power. And above Mama's scream, we hear him whisper: "I'm back."

OKay, maybe that repeating himself thing was a little over the top, and I wouldn't really like Mama dying, but that scene just felt "heroes-stylish". 

[Grim Reapster]

I don't think Peter absorbed all of Sylar's abilities at all. I think he only absorbed the one (shapeshiftying). I have two points to support this:
1. When Claire asked if Peter could fly after Nathan & Sylar, Peter replied that he couldn't. If he had copied all of Sylar's abilities he would have been able to fly after them (as we saw in a latter scene, Sylar could fly)
2. His wounds didn't heal after first fighting Sylar. If he had cloned all of Sylars powers he would have been able to heal instantly. In fact he was still wounded after morphing from the President back into himself.
So I'm pretty sure all Peter got out of Sylar was shapeshiftying.

Looking back on it, I think you might be right.
Also, in the car with Sylar he said something like "I bet you didn't think I took that power" or something to that effect. If he'd taken them all, he wouldn't have had to say this.
Ah well, I guess that keeps things interesting for next season 

Exactly, the way Peter phrased it I assumed that it was the only one of Sylar's powers that he did take. So all of you Sylar lover/Peter haters out there can relax. Peter didn't steal all of those powers that Sylar stole from everybody else....

And, by the way, we've been watching Sylar wipe the floor with Peter since the beginning of the show. I thought it was great to see Peter finally get the better of him for a change. And he did it without screwing up, which for Peter is a first. Sylar never saw it coming. In fact it was the only part of the episode that surprised me.

But of course it's only temporary. Instead of killing Sylar like they should of, they come up with this ridiculous plan that's never going to hold. Sure Matt could convince him that he's Nathan; And since Nathan had no memories of having any power but flight, he probably wont catch on for awhile. But sooner or later his abilities (especially his original one) are bound to resurface.

What are they planning on telling him when he cuts his hand, or stubs a toe, and it miraculously heals?

I understand why they didn't want everyone knowing that Nathan was killed. But why not use Peter as his replacement instead of Sylar? Peter can shape-shift now, and he probably knows his own brother well enough to pull off a pretty convincing Nathan.

And who would notice if Peter, a hospice worker/paramedic, went missing?

This entire plan is Doomed!

And since the only people that know who "Nathan" really is are HRG, Matt, and Angela, it's just going to eventually put anyone else at risk that just happens to be unfortunate enough to be near him when Sylar resurfaces.

They should of killed him while they had the chance. How likely is it that they're ever going to have him at their mercy again? What they should do is have Matt convince "Nathan" to retire, and once he's out of the public eye, then they can kill him off somewhere secluded....like Coyote Sands....

But do you know what really pissed me off about this episode? Once again NO FIGHT SCENE!!!

I've said over and over since this show started that all I really want is a killer fight scene between Peter and Sylar, only they keep letting me down. I don't even necessarily want Peter to beat him, but just to be able to hold his own.

I've even said before that I'd be perfectly happy for Peter to die, if he took Sylar out with him. But no, once again they cheated us out of what could have been an excellent battle.

Once again they shut the door! It was "Five years Gone" all over again....

End of rant.

Other than what I've listed above, it was an OK episode....

[bcwestley]

He does state in the end to sylar" I bet you didnt think i got that one".
Also every character in the show knows that peter can only get one power at a time.
Also Nathan is not dead, most likely in a later show he will come back via Claires blood, ( her adobted father got shot thru the eye and was brought back the sameway a day later).
Also sylar is already showing signs of returning to his trueself, " Plus what about the object that danko told
sylar to find that would remind himself of Himself."

[professional]

I think your all (or at least those who said it) about peter only taking shape shifting ability, i was so hopeing
that he had gotten all of them or at least the ability to have more than one ability (remember when peter
and sylar first fought sylar told peter "your like me") and we know peter showed sylar how to take an
ability without cutting out someones brains, he's used it to get elle's powers, shpe shifting (remeber he left him as fake sylar with head intact, that would be how he had doyle's power, and how he was flying while still
fighting nathan.  So hopefully next season peter will have his powers back..



As for nathan dieing i was thinking the hole claire's blood thing. Im sure as we saw in the end how sylars abilitys are still active and its safe to say sylar will return.




 and what about when they were burning the body at the end i could of sworn it was sylars body they were burning how did they pull that off? maybe i could grasp turning sylar into nathan but how did they turnnathan into sylar?
 

[Grim Reapster]

and what about when they were burning the body at the end i could of sworn it was sylars body they were burning how did they pull that off? maybe i could grasp turning sylar into nathan but how did they turnnathan into sylar?

They burned the body of the original shape-shifter, the one that Sylar took the power from. When he died he was still in Sylar's form.