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« Reply #30 on: 11/13/08, 06:18:51 PM »

i still love Heroes and honestly think that season 3 has been wayyy better than season 2!! with that being said...it is unfortunate that the series is losing viewers and i hope, hope, HOPE that loyal fans continue to watch  Sad

LIKES
  • overall a great episode!! i must say that i enjoy the shows that go into the past more than the ones set in the future, only because they give us more insights into the storyline INSTEAD of raising more questions.  plus, the writers did a great job of tying everything into season 1.
- how arthur became paralyzed.  and why!
- more details on nathan's car crash
- peter's hair was spot on and claire looked so young that i started questioning if they could have actually shot those scenes in the beginning
- each scene intertwined perfectly.  meredith causing the trainwreck that claire played hero.  HRG jumping into mohinder's cab.  arthur, angela, and linderman, oh my!
  • the 'ah ha!' moments.  clint is meredith's BROTHER!  wowza, way to tie in their separate but similar abilities!  AND it adds more depth to meredith's character. elle knew (and was crushing on) SYLAR!!  what the?! now that one takes the cake.  angela as a genuinely caring mother?!  i didn't see that one coming! and sylar with a conscience! ahhhh, now it's starting to make sense.  Smiley

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  • some scenes didn't feel 'right' to me.  for instance, elle as a caring person who actually sympathizes with sylar's plight??  ERGH!! Wrong!  that is just much too unlike her.  she was basically a lab rat, her father didn't care about her, she had no friends, and she is mentally unstable (and questionably borderline sadistic).  nice try writers but i don't buy it...
  • if the company had been monitoring sylar even before he was 'Sylar' then what was the point?  it seems like they did a piss-poor job of keeping him contained.  this is one of those decisions that makes me question if primatech is really the good guys...
  • Utusa died.  Utusa DIED!!  Stupid move.  He was a great character...and uhh, wasn't he a precog?!
  • arthur is a great villain...BUT he is becoming increasingly unstoppable.  now that he's taken Peter's powers, Hiro's powers, killed off Maury and Utusa, and has so many others on his side it seems like he has all the cards in his hands.  hopefully, we get to see a chink in his armor soon so that when he goes down (as i'm sure he will because the good guys always win!) it will at least seem plausible.

HUH?!
  • if the company operates under a 'one of us, one of them' policy then why the heck did meredith and thompson hook up?  don't they both have powers?
  • who does the haitian REALLY work for?  he seems to have loyalties to angela...but then again sometimes he follows his own agenda.
  • who is that doctor guy that lied to angela and is keeping arthur alive?  what is his part in the whole story?
  • what the hell is going to happen to hiro now?!?!?
  • why was nathan so adamant about taking linderman down?  something deeper than just crooked politics?
  • Utusa is DEAD?!?  i'm just saying...

p.s. does anyone else on here feel like time is flying by?!  whew, it's already freaking mid-NOVEMBER and i haven't even had a chance to catch up on all of the latest forum topics recently...plus, it was the first week that i had to DVR Heroes and watch it on a TUESDAY!! *gasp*  Undecided 
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« Reply #31 on: 11/13/08, 07:00:01 PM »

HUH?!
  • if the company operates under a 'one of us, one of them' policy then why the heck did meredith and thompson hook up?  don't they both have powers?
  • who does the haitian REALLY work for?  he seems to have loyalties to angela...but then again sometimes he follows his own agenda.
  • who is that doctor guy that lied to angela and is keeping arthur alive?  what is his part in the whole story?
  • what the hell is going to happen to hiro now?!?!?
  • why was nathan so adamant about taking linderman down?  something deeper than just crooked politics?
  • Utusa is DEAD?!?  i'm just saying...

  • Thompson doesn't have powers.  I don't know who started that rumour, but it was never true.
  • The doctor looks familiar, but really he was manipulated by Arthur.  The old man does that sometimes.
  • Hiro will now follow the path Ututututsu told him would be his.  He refused to make his own destiny, so he gets what's coming.  I presume this will mean he is powerless and taken in by Pinehearst.
  • Linderman is a mobster.  Remember how he always hired Jessica to make hits on people?
  • Utustsut needed to die because nobody could spell his name  Undecided
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« Reply #32 on: 11/13/08, 07:26:28 PM »

HUH?!
  • if the company operates under a 'one of us, one of them' policy then why the heck did meredith and thompson hook up?  don't they both have powers?
  • who does the haitian REALLY work for?  he seems to have loyalties to angela...but then again sometimes he follows his own agenda.
  • who is that doctor guy that lied to angela and is keeping arthur alive?  what is his part in the whole story?
  • what the hell is going to happen to hiro now?!?!?
  • why was nathan so adamant about taking linderman down?  something deeper than just crooked politics?
  • Utusa is DEAD?!?  i'm just saying...
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  • Thompson doesn't have powers.  I don't know who started that rumour, but it was never true.
  • The doctor looks familiar, but really he was manipulated by Arthur.  The old man does that sometimes.
  • Hiro will now follow the path Ututututsu told him would be his.  He refused to make his own destiny, so he gets what's coming.  I presume this will mean he is powerless and taken in by Pinehearst.
  • Linderman is a mobster.  Remember how he always hired Jessica to make hits on people?
  • Utustsut needed to die because nobody could spell his name  Undecided
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LOL - "Utututututsu"

Xccessiv hit the nail on the head about my problems with this episode. This was by far my least favourite episode of the Season, but nothing could disappoint me more than some of the episodes in Season 2. I didn't hate it, and thought it was a decent episode in some aspects. Brought a smile to my face alot, to see how certain things led to things. I really loved the transitions from an old Season 1 scene we'd seen before to a current scene. So ironic that Meredith started the fire that Claire rescued the man from. When they were in the train cargo, i was just thinking: "Hang on a second, that train part looks SO much like the one Claire rescued the guy from, the scene is even the same with all those flames." Yet somehow, I never anticipated it would be that. It just didn't occur to me. The Meredith/Flint story was what really engrossed me this episode; and what I thought had the greatest depth and consistency. Loved how both her and Thompson jumped out of the train as it blew up behind them.

However: I did notice that Meredith wasn't really trying to hurt Thompson. I saw this more of a plot device, but I think they're trying to show that Meredith is a really good person, who doesn't try to hurt others as much as she can.  Shocked Thompson has a heart!  Shocked Thompson has a heart!! Where did that suddenly come from? I was quite shocked by this sudden change of character. The way he made the decision, and what he said, really made me question Thompson. I think there is a lot more about him we really don't know. This episode showed he was looking out for Claire, outside the orders of the Company or the Petrelli's. Nothing from Season 1 or before contradicts this, so this is a solid revelation. Now my question is why? I'm very curious about this. I'd like to know more and I think we haven't seen the last of Thompson.

I didn't have any problems with the Arthur/Angela story. That was quite consistent too, but didn't have the impact on me, I thought it would. However, I do think things were a bit rushed and elaborated. And I still think there is more to this story than meets the eye. The whole stealing socks thing that Angela did is still a big unresolved question mark, and that's why I believed this section of the episode.

Now for the rest of the episode: what the hell happened? The Sylar/Elle/HRG part of the episode didn't make any sense! I was about as convinced as an Aethiest is about the existance of God. I thought when I was watching the trailer that, this had better be the future, or else it doesn't make sense AT ALL. Sylar & Elle have clashed twice, and they're trying to tell us in those 2 times, Sylar didn't realize that Elle was that girl who stopped him from killing himself and helped his transformation into Sylar, whilst he was cutting her head open???! WHAT THE HELL?! Elle was this girl tortured by her dad to be Psychotic and all... how she was last season, then suddenly she's as sweet as pie, and can so easily alter her personality when last season, it seemed like a mental illness she couldn't control. It was if the writer who wrote this episode hadn't seen Season 2 at all, and had picked the show up from Season 1 Episode 15. If it had been placed there, it would have been believable. On the plus side, Zach & Kristen finally got to work together.

I've noticed that every Episode 8 of each Season turns out to have 1 storyline that is incosistent with the rest of the Season, and ruins the episode. So from now on, I've chosen to ignore those storylines and pretend it never happened. Like the whole Peter after the explosion. I'm just gonna fill in the blanks myself - what makes sense to me.

If you ignore that shamble, the episode was great. I don't think it was as bad, or as awful as people have made it out to be. It certainly wasn't bad enought o even make me consider not watching anymore, or not watching next week. The cliffhanger was the most anticipation-inducing cliffhanger we've had so far. It really does make me want to see the next episode, and the trailer even more! However, killing off Usutu was a bad move; He had a big fanbase, and I think that could be possibly lost after this episode.

When I first started this review, I thought the Usutu death was quite stupid since he could percieve the future events and his death, but then I remembered how Isaac accepted his death, and I also considered how Arthur took Peter's powers, so will have the Precog ability as well in various ways. Furthermore, since he has Prophetic Dreaming, which seems to extend into other people's dreams, he could have gone into one of Usutu's Visions of the future, like he did with Angela, and kill him from there. Anyway, that's another thing to speculate.
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« Reply #33 on: 11/13/08, 07:52:28 PM »

Elle was SO AWESOME in this episode, as was Angela. I loved Usutsu, and was shocked to see him beheaded.....BUT it was nifty! Flint and Meredith were awesome together and as a Heroes fan from Tennessee, I was glad to see some Heroes adtion in the state! (Meredith and Flint's store hold up!) For the very first time since she appeared in the show, we got to see Meredith do something other with her flames....rather than just catch her hand on fire and show it to people....(That's all she ever did! Season one, she showed it to Claire and lit a cigarette....season 3 she showed it to everyone and now, {still s. 3} she goes all out!) GREAT JOB JESSALYN GILSIG!!!
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« Reply #34 on: 11/13/08, 08:26:35 PM »

I liked the episode, it brought back fond memories of Heroes, and the new tie ins were great.  The one year ago timeline seemed a little bit off though it was more like two years ago, and I agree that Elle was a off from how we first met her.

Isn't Arthur just terrible, "I heard you were dreaming of me"  Shocked
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« Reply #35 on: 11/14/08, 07:52:05 PM »

xcessev: Lots of poisons can shut down your nervous system and paralyze you (botulinum toxin--botox--works on nerves), or else the poison could have caused him to have heart arrhythmias which caused a subsequent stroke.  I like how Arthur ended up paralyzed.  Very nice.

Two things I read on another forum (so I can't take credit for the ideas at all) that I don't think have been mentioned here yet (if they have, I apologize for the repeat):

1.  Is Elle Sylar's future baby mama?

2.  How could Flint have been tackled by an invisible man (assuming he means the one we've met) and brought into the Company one year before the current storyline if Claude left the company several years ago? 

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« Reply #36 on: 11/15/08, 10:40:15 AM »

xcessev: Glad to see that the number of people annoyed about Usutu dying is increasing! Check out this rant about Usutu in general: http://saharsblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/review-heroes-episode-304/ & http://saharsblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/review-heroes-episode-7-season-3/. I'm too engrossed in episodes to have much to say about them and it's only when I read things like this that I click - omg, that's so true Wink

This wasn't my least favorite episode of the season because it answered a lot of questions. However I think that because we are left asking even more questions, people are left a little frustrated. There is a forum on heroesfanatic.com that basically is about that, how people are frustrated at having even more questions now than ever. Reminds me of the X-files Tongue

Niwdog: I've noticed that every Episode 8 of each Season turns out to have 1 storyline that is incosistent with the rest of the Season, and ruins the episode. - When a storyline is as complicated as Heroes is, I don't think we are quite meant to understand every detail of the whole. Each person understands a couple of the characters in that they have to stay true to themselves... and each one of us understands specific characters because they are the ones that talk the most to us. You have to look at TV as art - art can't be perfect, but even then, if you can appreciate the work that went in it, you can overlook the occasional problems and inconsistencies.


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« Reply #37 on: 11/17/08, 09:04:42 AM »

2.  How could Flint have been tackled by an invisible man (assuming he means the one we've met) and brought into the Company one year before the current storyline if Claude left the company several years ago? 

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« Reply #38 on: 11/17/08, 10:51:37 PM »


1.  Is Elle Sylar's future baby mama?


Having seen Episode 9, I'm gonna say seems likely now!
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