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« Reply #15 on: 10/14/08, 06:58:01 AM »

I was unimpressed with this week's offering. We'd been doing so well! The editing was horrendous, and none of the scenes were fleshed out enough to finish a thought before they flipped to a taste of the next one. It was all very tough to follow, and had a thin feel to it, whereas most Heroes episodes are nice and meaty.

We begin this episode on a strange note: Nathan narrates the opening monologue instead of Mohinder. Which--given the individual strength of each character at the moment--was a smart move by the writers. It threw me, though--it sounded very strange... but I loved the content. Nice thoughts on God, angels, monsters, heroes, villains... All interrupted by Vision!Linderman. However, I was extremely annoyed by the heavy-handed use of the moster theme throughout the hour. They slathered it on so thick! Yeah, yeah, we got it, there are villains and then there are flat out monsters. If you did a word count I think you'd find more "monsters" in tonight's episode than "my friends" in a McCain speech.

Where was Mohinder sitting in the opening few flashes? I liked his positioning--the way he was sitting was very animalistic, as if he were stalking his prey, and I loved how he scratched idly at his right shoulder. The reveal of his back later was cool, too--what in the world will he eventually end up looking like? Will we have Sendhil in head-to-toe make-up, or will there be a stunt man cast as his body and he'll be relegated to Voice-over!Mohinder? What kind of animal cocoons their food to the wall like that? Spider? Worm? And no surprise here: Maya is still bothering me greatly. I'm glad she ended up mounted on Mohinder's wall with the others.

This was a very Peter-lite episode. We barely got to see him. And what we got wasn't too impressive, either. I understand that he can't handle Sylar's power, but it's like he's gone completely rabid. The special effects when he snapped Sylar's neck and he stood back up were awesome, but I hated Milo's delivery of his shouted "Tell me your secrets!" On the positive side, Angela's scream was fantastic. I like a good scream. Bad ones can really ruin a moment.

And I was glad to see that Sylar's back out in the field! We also got some Gabriel theme music as HRG tells him to suit up--I love that piece of score.

Steven was a very cool character. I like that they're coming up with powers that could still threaten Claire, despite her ability to heal. What I want to know, though, is where things go when they enter that vortex? The future, the past, an alternate dimension, Bloomington IN, where? Watching Claire get her first taste of crime fighting was fun, and I liked that she went after her first mark thinking the whole situation was black and white, only to find out Steven's story was all kinds of gray. I love that she ended up sitting down in his empty house getting a lecture from him. I would be very impressed if Steven showed up later this season after someone stumbles on the actual location of the other end of that vortex.

Adam's pounding and yelling was hysterical. Really wonderful moment of comedy in this otherwise obnoxious episode. David Anders was fabulous. When given good material, this guy outshines most other cast members (it's really too bad he got stuck with all that slow-moving Kensei nonsense last season... if you want some awesome David, check out Alias). Best line of the whole set was when he called Hiro a "Japanese Nazi," got popped back in his coffin, and immediately responded with a muffled, resigned, "I have a plan!"

We finally have an answer on why only some people can see Linderman, how he managed to survive his own death in 1x23, and who is the mastermind bringing the formula together. Maury Parkman! Who let him out? Didn't they lock him up after Matt trapped him in The 70's Kitchen of Eternity? I understand why Daphne would be working for him, but I don't get why he wants a world full of special people. If everyone is special, he loses some of his edge. A world full of powers doesn't advance him at all, does it? Unless he's looking to make a bunch of money off of the sale of the formula... Which doesn't make any sense, either, because he could just telepathically instruct a bank teller to hand over her whole drawer whenever he needed cash. Also, how in the world did a vision of Linderman heal Nathan after he was shot?

Tracy wants to turn herself in now? Why are they repeating all of season one? I loved it, yes, but I don't want to see it again. I did love Nathan's heartfelt, eloquent, touching explanation of his visions of God and the divine gift of an ability, followed by Tracy's deadpan response that the abilities were forced on them by "a doctor in Reseda, California." YoungPC's surprised response: "God lives in Reseda, California?"

Bad way for Claire to find out that her dad is working with Sylar! Poor thing. That planned reunion was going so well for Steven, and then HRG breaks in, guns blazing... Didn't work for your daughter, dude, maybe you should try talking to the man instead of treating him like an animal. I thought Claire was going to get such a talking to... but no go. I guess parenting really has been thrown out the window with this girl. I did love that Sylar saved her from the vortex, though. I'm really looking forward to his rehab storyline. If they do it well it'll be fantastic to watch. Then again, if they do it badly it'll be like when they de-fanged Spike and he became a whiny shell of his former badass self.

Maya has an incredible offensive ability and she's hiding under a table? I sat there through this whole scene hoping Mohinder would come home and mount her on his wall along with his neighbor and the drug dealer, and I was quite glad when it happened. Mohinder's turn to the dark side is actually starting to interest me now, especially since he's already on Maury's radar as an interesting talent to have on his team, along with Knox. This is another one of those plotlines that will be really cool... if done right. It also has the opportunity to go terribly, horribly wrong.

Okay, major issue for me. Sylar has super hearing--did he hear what HRG was asking Steven to do at the carosel? It didn't seem like it while it was happening, but he obviously knew by the time Claire got dropped off later. If he could hear them, they should've done the sound effect we've seen before when he's over-hearing a conversation from far away. And boy howdy, Steven vortexing himself was so predictable!

Ando: "We are the worst heroes ever." Well, the worst heroes episode ever, at least. I liked Masi's delivery of "We are badasses now!" But I didn't like how fast and sloppy they offered Hiro work and then had him shish-kabob Ando. There better be a cool explanation for that next week.

Puppet Man! So creepy! I like him a lot, actually, I think we have major potential here, especially given the trailer for next week. I'm really looking forward to that, I bet it'll be phenomenal. Puppet Man kind of reminded me of Jabba the Hut, though. Like next episode we'll see Meredith in a Leia outfit, serving him grapes.

Bits and Pieces:

    * Funny line: "Rehabilitation doesn't happen overnight. I am trying."
    * Claire goes after a bad guy in stilettos?
    * Best Actor award for the episode goes to Zachary for his downcast eyes after HRG admonished him for talking to Claire.
    * This is a show about ceilings--have you ever noticed how many times the camera angles up at the actors from below and we get a wide expanse of ceiling behind them? It's a cool shot, making the heroes seem bigger, larger than life, so it really works. We had Mohinder stuck to the ceiling of his apartment for an entire episode in the first season, as well as a cache of diamonds in another one. We have another really effective ceiling shot in this one with Sylar, Claire, and HRG as he says, "I wouldn't send anyone to level 5 who didn't deserve to be there."
    * Ando and Hiro attempting to look tough was comedy gold, as was Ando playing with an unconscious Hiro's eyes on the bar floor: "Blink, Hiro! Freeze time!"
    * Nathan has a synthetic ability! I'm assuming Sylar's and Peter's are congenital. Which brings up an interesting question: how old is Sylar? Where does he fall in the sibship? Nathan seems oldest, then Sylar, then Peter. We know Peter is about 27 by this time, since he was 26 in the first season.
    * Mr. Petrelli can what--freeze people? Not temperature freeze, rather, just stop them from moving.
    * I like the intersecting helix as the logo for Maury's company. What was the name of it? Is it really Maury's?
    * Love that Sylar gets relegated to the back seat while HRG drives and Claire gets shotgun.
    * How does Peter having Sylar's power help anything?

So all in all, that was awful. I'm so disappointed in you, Heroes. That's it. We're done. You're moving out, and I get to keep the TV. I'm not even watching next week!

...Okay, complete lie. :-) But you better shape up!

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« Reply #16 on: 10/14/08, 07:46:58 AM »

Ando: "We are the worst heroes ever." Well, the worst heroes episode ever, at least. I liked Masi's delivery of "We are badasses now!" But I didn't like how fast and sloppy they offered Hiro work and then had him shish-kabob Ando. There better be a cool explanation for that next week.

Here's my take on the whole Hiro stabs Ando::
When Knox told Hiro to kill Ando, Hiro froze time, teleported to a novelty shop, took some fake blood (and left some money behind on the counter, of course) teleported back to the bar, taped the pack under Ando's shirt, unfroze time and then stabbed Ando. All of this occurred off camera so to speak. Remember, he told Ando that he could freeze time and "There's lots of stuff I do that you don't know about." Also Ando didn't know he had put a low-jack on Daphne's medal until afterwards. I think this makes more sense than Hiro sacrificing Ando to join the gang.
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« Reply #17 on: 10/14/08, 07:57:55 AM »

I have to agree with GG that this one fell a little flat.  There were a few "Holy . . . " moments, but other than that, some of it just felt forced and other parts were tiresome. 

Maya and Mohinder . . . COME ON!  Each time they came on I almost groaned.  First of all Mohinder is dragging a dead body behind him into his lab.  I'm still trying to figure out how he did that unseen through the streets of New York.  Second, Maya comes in and A) doesn't initially see the blood trail and when she does she leaves then B) comes BACK later only to see the cocooned horror and try to free one of them but C) Mohinder comes back so she hides under a table.  D) She gets upset so she blacks out her eyes which totally gives away the fact that she's there somewhere and E) not only has someone stolen her accent they've now downgraded her power to simply giving people belly aches.  The only good thing to come of it is that she is now in a slime cocoon and won't be bothering us for a while . . . we hope.

One of the "What the . . . ?" moments - Hiro willingly killing Ando!!!  For the first time that I can recall, I actually shouted "What the HECK are your doing Hiro?!?!?!?!" at the TV.  That one dropped my jaw and wiped away all doubt as to why Ando would kill Hiro in the future.  I mean, let's face it.  Ando will more than likely be back.  Some way, some how.  And when that happens, he'll be ticked off.  That would royally tick me off, too!  Something had better happen here to explain THAT and explain it quick.  We simply can not lose Ando.  His interaction with Hiro is one of the things that makes the show work.  To kill him off will kill off part of the show.  Granted there's now a major divide ripped between them that has to be healed now . . . if it even can be.

And then good ol' Maury.   I had to give myself a pat on the back on that one 'cause I figured long ago that he was the one projecting Linderman to try manipulating Nathan.  Then how did Nathan come alive again?  I can only assume at this point that is was Adam's blood still working in him OR since the company already had Claire's blood (or maybe even her's AND Adam's) then they snuck in there to give him a little boost.  AND is Maury "recruiting" Matt for his own purposes?  Payback?  Redemption?  I mean why have two people with the same ability on the same "team?"  That and we saw Matt dead in Angela's dream, so . . . more questions.  More pesky, pesky questions.

I'm still a little confused about Sylar.  I'm still thinking that he lost all of his other powers because of the virus, but I could be wrong.  That still hasn't been explained well enough yet.  That would explain why he couldn't tell what HRG was saying.  Or could he?

Claire got her preconceptions handed to her on a platter.  That poor guy with the vortexes just wanted to be left alone and get his family back.  Made us all think twice about what consitutes being a monster vs. being a man with an unwanted ability that just wants to be normal.  He didn't want to kill again, so the best thing would be to kill himself.  Quite a sacrifice.  HE was the hero of the episode if you ask me.

The Puppetman was cool.  Great villain type.  Claire's mom was helpless.

And finally.  Mr. Linderman.  Apparently, Pinehurst is another front company much like Primatech Paper.  Maybe like a secondary backup headquarters?  This guy is creepy and just plain evil, if you ask me.  He knew his wife would see what he was doing, was remorseless (much as she seems to be most of the time - with the exception of this episode) about his two sons dying.  These two definately had no right becoming parents!  Cheesy  I saw it mentioned elsewhere that Mr. Petrelli and Sylar were two peas in a pod, so perhaps his power is similar or he has multiple powers?  Or he is using the Puppet man to freeze her in place so she can't prevent any of this from happening?

The one thing that is bothering me is that people with powers are treating their children like crap on this show.  Is anyone else seeing this?  Maury and Matt.  The Petrelli's (even Nathan's treatment of Claire). Bob and Elle.  Even Hiro and his Dad.

I dunno . . . we'll have to wait and see.  But this was an episode that made my wife tell me she was about to give up on the show.
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« Reply #18 on: 10/14/08, 08:01:07 AM »

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Here's my take on the whole Hiro stabs Ando::
When Knox told Hiro to kill Ando, Hiro froze time, teleported to a novelty shop, took some fake blood (and left some money behind on the counter, of course) teleported back to the bar, taped the pack under Ando's shirt, unfroze time and then stabbed Ando. All of this occurred off camera so to speak. Remember, he told Ando that he could freeze time and "There's lots of stuff I do that you don't know about." Also Ando didn't know he had put a low-jack on Daphne's medal until afterwards. I think this makes more sense than Hiro sacrificing Ando to join the gang.

Perhaps, but then he'd have to let Ando in on what he was doing?  Stabbing him in the heart all of a sudden and it didn't hurt?  That would make me say . . . "What are you doing?"  Unless they had this pre-planned, but I doubt it.  It's entirely possible, mind you and he might have just fainted from the shock of his best friend stabbing him, but we'll have to wait and see.
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« Reply #19 on: 10/14/08, 09:10:21 AM »

Or he was faking it, see my post above.
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« Reply #20 on: 10/14/08, 09:10:43 AM »

Also, I think Angela thought she was having a vision, but it was all Maury. So I'm not really believing that Ali Larter will get her throat cut like that, or that Nathan or Peter will die either. I think the whole thing was a set up that Maury used just to torture Angela.
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« Reply #21 on: 10/14/08, 09:57:54 AM »

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting sick of Meredith's "Flame On" routine? I mean come on, do we really need to see her hold out her hand and light it up in every episode she's in?

Personally I thought it was cheesy the first time we saw her do it. I for one am hoping that they kill her off soon. Or at least have her actually do something different.

So far she's been about as useful as a Zippo.
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« Reply #22 on: 10/14/08, 10:11:56 AM »

Haha!  I was thinking the exact same thing!
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« Reply #23 on: 10/14/08, 12:12:38 PM »

Okay, I knew the critics were gonna come out of the wood work, but I was prepared for it so its okay, I'm ready and up to the challenge to defend my beloved show that has not let me down all season, and sure as hell didnt let me down last night!  Also, some people are saying things that just simply aren't true...and I want to maybe try and help clarify some things.

Lets start with my dislikes since they were so few:

1.  The entire mohinder/maya storyline is just retarded.  Seriously, its just falcon retarded.  I'm all down for mohinder becoming a villan, thats fine, but a spider fly type of thingy that cocoons people on his walls?  REALLY?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?  C"MON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That's just falcon retarded.  I hated it.  And maya (sorry issac mendez) has got to be the worst actress on the show, worse than micah and worse than wes.  Ill give her, she's hot, but how the hell do you come back onto a show that you did for a season and completely ditch the accent, change your entire style, and find a way to dumb down your power.  Its like the writers don't know what to do with her because the can't kill her off, but they don't really know how to fit her in to whats going on....she's awful!  I'm so tired of her and im glad she's cocooned on his wall.  And she has a death power...who the hell has a death power and hides under the table, and then doesn't kill the guy thats about to attack her....retarded...just retarded.

2.  Hiro stabbing ando...too quick and too out of place.  even though i know there's a good explaination for it, it still was just so out of place that it didn't really sit right with me.

okay now onto my take on the episode:

First of all, the parents have always been horrible to thier kids...always.  From the beginning they've all been awful...its been a constant struggle between the generations and it keeps the gaps between the young and old.  Its just apart of the heroes universe...the kids are reckless and the parents are scandelous.

look, guys, the volume is called Villans.  What did you expect?  Thats what its going to be about.  They warned us that there is a villan inside every hero, and thats EXACTLY what they are trying to do, and I love it.  I love the dark twist that the show has taken.  I love the twists and turns and turmoil and internal struggles within every character, and it fits with the arc of the heroes universe.  think about it, season 1 everyone was discovering they had powers, season 2 they discovered how to contro them, and now, they are learning how to use them, and its foolish to think that even the most good of the heroes won't have an instance where they abuse their powers once in a while.  Its human nature, and thats what makes heroes so great.  theres no such thing as an altruistic hero, because they aren't superheroes, they're are ordinary people with extraordinary powers, and they have very real human struggles!  no ones perfect and I love it! 

It was nice to have a break from peter for a while actually.  I like him, but its nice to know that they show can go on if peter doesnt take center stage every single episode.  Also remember that Peter found out in the future that sylar was his brother, and when he came back, he was furious at the news and angry at his mother for not telling him.  It was a lot to handle and too much to deal with for peter, which I can totally understand, and he's been lied too and betrayed and his sworn enemy is now blood, AND on top of ALL of that, he's got a new power that feeds him with a hunger.  Look, thats a pretty big melting pot of emotions, and I would expect even the greatest hero to have a little burst of rage.  he's not rabid, but c'mon, give the guy some slack.  It makes sylar's power all the more dangerous.  It really is almost uncontrollable, and sylar tried to warn him and didn't want to give it too because of what it does to people...peter isn't above that and we shouldn't think that he is...

Arthur Petrelli is the leader.  He's the one running pinehearst.  Maury is working for Arthur, and has used linderman to convince nathan to be in politics and daphne to recruit his own company workers.  Its obvious now that there are two companies...each run by a petrelli and each petrelli against each other.  Maury isn't acting on his own free will.  Arthur is telling him what do...and he wants adam so he can have his blood and heal himself.  Company vs Company....I love it!!!!!

The puppet master guy seems to be working alone.  I don't think he is affliliated with anyone, just like the vortex guy.  He's simply a level 5 fugitive with a twisted ability that has run into meredith, claire, and sandra.  He has no connection with Linderman that I can see.

All that being said, I loved this episode, and I think its only going to get better.  i think what they are trying to do is to blur the lines between heroes and villans, and as the season continues, the lines will start to be drawn more definitively, with definite heroes on one side and villans on the other.  Its just way more intense to befuddle the characters rather than just drawing the lines from the get go!

well thats my take...I know there's more i could say, but there was so much good stuff in the episode that i have to take my time...pace myself
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« Reply #24 on: 10/14/08, 12:20:21 PM »


After reading all this, I couldn't help but wonder... what ever happened to just watching a show.
You seem to be spoiling it for yourself by looking out for something to be wrong.

That's exactly what my sister says!  She has a no-talking rule for me if we ever watch science fiction together.  But I can't help it; I'm detail oriented and this kind of piece-by-piece analysis is actually a lot of fun for me.  What can I say?  I'm weird... but happy.  :-)  And this is actually the first negative review I've written this season... if you look back at the last four they're basically love letters written on pink paper and spritzed with perfume.  ;-)

[...] I mean, let's face it.  Ando will more than likely be back.  Some way, some how.  And when that happens, he'll be ticked off.  That would royally tick me off, too!  Something had better happen here to explain THAT and explain it quick. [...]

[...] Then how did Nathan come alive again?  I can only assume at this point that is was Adam's blood still working in him OR since the company already had Claire's blood (or maybe even her's AND Adam's) then they snuck in there to give him a little boost.  AND is Maury "recruiting" Matt for his own purposes?  Payback?  Redemption?  I mean why have two people with the same ability on the same "team?"  That and we saw Matt dead in Angela's dream, so . . . more questions.  More pesky, pesky questions.

[...]

And finally.  Mr. Linderman.  Apparently, Pinehurst is another front company much like Primatech Paper.  Maybe like a secondary backup headquarters?  This guy is creepy and just plain evil, if you ask me.  He knew his wife would see what he was doing, was remorseless (much as she seems to be most of the time - with the exception of this episode) about his two sons dying.  These two definately had no right becoming parents!  Cheesy  I saw it mentioned elsewhere that Mr. Petrelli and Sylar were two peas in a pod, so perhaps his power is similar or he has multiple powers?  Or he is using the Puppet man to freeze her in place so she can't prevent any of this from happening?

Nice post!  

1.  I agree that Ando's not gone for good.  There's some trick they set up to fake that, and he'll be back.  However, I'm wondering when they'll get rid of Ando for good, because Future!Hiro must come around eventually...  This is like waiting for the moment when Future!Peter's scar is inflicted within the actual storyline.  I want to know what turns Hiro so dark, and I'm betting it's either Ando's death, or betrayal.

2.  If Adam's blood was still working to heal Nathan, then we've got a lot of super-healers walking around these days.  Adam, Claire, Peter and Sylar can all do it, and Maya, HRG, and Nathan have all had transfusions.  It'll be a boring show if everyone's invincible!

3.  Me too!!  I'm incredibly curious about Maury's reasons for recruiting his son.  Apology/reunion?  Payback/revenge?  Or is Mr. Petrelli somehow pulling the strings and insisting Maury have Matt brought in so the future can go as planned and Matt and Daphne can meet and fall in love?  I can't wait to see what exactly Mr. Petrelli's power(s?) really is.  (And what's his name?  I think it's Aurthur...?)

4.  Your paragraph beginning with Linderman and Pinehurst kind of confused me...  Are you saying Pinehurst is a division of The Company?  As in, the one Angela is running?  And I didn't get the sense that Mr. Petrelli had any connection to the Puppet Man.  I don't think he's using him to freeze Angela, I think he does it himself.  Maybe.  Actually, that whole point confuses me.

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look, guys, the volume is called Villans.  What did you expect?  [...] and its foolish to think that even the most good of the heroes won't have an instance where they abuse their powers once in a while.  Its human nature, and thats what makes heroes so great.  theres no such thing as an altruistic hero, because they aren't superheroes, they're are ordinary people with extraordinary powers, and they have very real human struggles!  no ones perfect and I love it! 

It was nice to have a break from peter for a while actually.  I like him, but its nice to know that they show can go on if peter doesnt take center stage every single episode.  Also remember that Peter found out in the future that sylar was his brother, and when he came back, he was furious at the news and angry at his mother for not telling him.  It was a lot to handle and too much to deal with for peter, which I can totally understand, and he's been lied too and betrayed and his sworn enemy is now blood, AND on top of ALL of that, he's got a new power that feeds him with a hunger.  [...]

[...]  Its obvious now that there are two companies...each run by a petrelli and each petrelli against each other.  Maury isn't acting on his own free will.  Arthur is telling him what do...and he wants adam so he can have his blood and heal himself.  Company vs Company....I love it!!!!
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Ooh... Okay, you won me over on a few points.  But just a few.  ;-)

1.  I do like the fact that this volume is darker, and about the villain inside every one of our heroes, I'm just unimpressed with the way they're going about it.  It's like enjoying the fairytale itself, but disliking the words used to write it.  I'm all about the dark twists, though.  I think this season is going to be awesome.  This particular episode just disappointed me a little in its execution.

2.  As far as having a break from Peter, I agree that it's actually a nice change.  When I said it was Peter-lite, I didn't necessarily mean that was a bad thing.  1x17 Company Man was one of the Top 5 from season one and it didn't have Peter in it at all!  And you're completely right, I should give poor Pete a break.  A lying mother, an evil half-brother, and being strung-out on a new power after killing his OTHER brother must take a bit of a toll on a person.  Okay, I retract the "rabid" comment.  :-)

3.  The two Companies each being run by an opposing Petrelli is an awesome way to build a family feud this season, especially if Claire and Nathan are on board with Knox and Daphne in the future--that must mean they side with Arthur Petrelli when it comes down to it.  Does this mean Future!Peter sticks with Angela?  Or is he rogue?

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« Reply #26 on: 10/14/08, 01:19:50 PM »

Hiya guys,

Nice posts, especially GG's (as always) and D Rok's! I agree with the comment you made GG about this episode being "dissapointing" in a small way, they could have put more effort in to perfection it.

I actually think Future Peter will be a rogue in the future. They messed too much with him, all of them, good or bad in multiple ways, physical and psychologically! Whatever he tries to do good, people will search for negative things to blame him for and that's just NOT OK, I love Peter as a character honestly... Doing a great job acting and making the show really interesting!

Finally we're kinda rid of Maya haha  Cheesy I also don't understand why she didn't do anything to Mohinder, I mean come on, she could have seen that coming, Mohinder going "spider" on her... She could have easily stopped him...

The Ando thing I'm really dissapointing in, Hiro and Ando had a strong bond together, and even if the last few episodes (since Hiro saw the future Ando killed him) shows some doubt in each person, still it went TOO easy when Knox wanted Hiro to kill Ando so he could join the team. It was like "Ok! Sorry Ando, I have too make sacrifices too *stab*" THE END... Went too quick and it was poorly written. They better come up with a good explanation for this.

As for Mr. Petrelli, he's gonna be awesomely evil I think, he really has a creepy dark side freezing Angela as well, was wicked  Shocked I don't know about you guys, but when I saw Mr. Petrelli's "royal bed" it gave me a bit of a Dr. Claw feeling for a moment! haha Tongue (the evil guy of Inspector Gadget's comic show)

Thats it for now I guess, oh wait, and I vote for Stephan Canfield vortex guy to come back sometime, his power rocks!

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« Reply #27 on: 10/14/08, 01:21:35 PM »

]3.  Me too!!  I'm incredibly curious about Maury's reasons for recruiting his son.  Apology/reunion?  Payback/revenge?  

I think that they want Matt on their side simply because he could undo whatever it is that they've done to Angela. Or at least communicate with her telepathically to find out what they're up to.

Matt has the same power as Maury. I think that Arthur Petrelli would prefer to have both Parkmans on his side, instead of there being one on either side.

Maury was right that it won't be easy to sway Matt to their side. He's an ex cop. And he still has a good sense of right and wrong. Not to mention that he could read her mind. And if he finds out that Maury's involved, then it's a lost cause. Which is probably why he appears as Linderman to Daphne. He doesn't want Matt looking into her mind and seeing who really sent her.

So I think that Daphne is going to try to use her feminine charms to woo Matt to their side. But of course she's  probably going to fall for him instead. After all Matt already knows that they're going to be married with children.... Wink
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« Reply #28 on: 10/14/08, 02:34:54 PM »


[...]
look, guys, the volume is called Villans.  What did you expect?  [...] and its foolish to think that even the most good of the heroes won't have an instance where they abuse their powers once in a while.  Its human nature, and thats what makes heroes so great.  theres no such thing as an altruistic hero, because they aren't superheroes, they're are ordinary people with extraordinary powers, and they have very real human struggles!  no ones perfect and I love it! 

It was nice to have a break from peter for a while actually.  I like him, but its nice to know that they show can go on if peter doesnt take center stage every single episode.  Also remember that Peter found out in the future that sylar was his brother, and when he came back, he was furious at the news and angry at his mother for not telling him.  It was a lot to handle and too much to deal with for peter, which I can totally understand, and he's been lied too and betrayed and his sworn enemy is now blood, AND on top of ALL of that, he's got a new power that feeds him with a hunger.  [...]

[...]  Its obvious now that there are two companies...each run by a petrelli and each petrelli against each other.  Maury isn't acting on his own free will.  Arthur is telling him what do...and he wants adam so he can have his blood and heal himself.  Company vs Company....I love it!!!!
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Ooh... Okay, you won me over on a few points.  But just a few.  ;-)

1.  I do like the fact that this volume is darker, and about the villain inside every one of our heroes, I'm just unimpressed with the way they're going about it.  It's like enjoying the fairytale itself, but disliking the words used to write it.  I'm all about the dark twists, though.  I think this season is going to be awesome.  This particular episode just disappointed me a little in its execution.

2.  As far as having a break from Peter, I agree that it's actually a nice change.  When I said it was Peter-lite, I didn't necessarily mean that was a bad thing.  1x17 Company Man was one of the Top 5 from season one and it didn't have Peter in it at all!  And you're completely right, I should give poor Pete a break.  A lying mother, an evil half-brother, and being strung-out on a new power after killing his OTHER brother must take a bit of a toll on a person.  Okay, I retract the "rabid" comment.  :-)

3.  The two Companies each being run by an opposing Petrelli is an awesome way to build a family feud this season, especially if Claire and Nathan are on board with Knox and Daphne in the future--that must mean they side with Arthur Petrelli when it comes down to it.  Does this mean Future!Peter sticks with Angela?  Or is he rogue?

GG

Good points...sorry to come off so harsh...i was getting frustrated at some other ignorant and retarded statments that people made and got a little carried away!  I love your reviews though!  even though I disagree a bit with this one, you always write a very thorough and fair assessment of the entire episode and i appreciate that!

and I love the questions you just asked!!!!!  Imagine, Nathan and Arthur on one side, Sylar and Angela on the other side, and Peter somewhere in the middle, not sure who to trust!  O man its gonna get good!
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« Reply #29 on: 10/14/08, 03:48:00 PM »

Does anyone happen to know that song playing in the background where Adam took Hiro and Ando? ;x
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