Grim Reapster
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« Reply #30 on: 10/09/08, 10:47:47 AM » |
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Personally I think that "I am become Death" refers to several "Heroes" at once. Future Peter setting of a deadly chain of events with his meddling around with time. Sylar who had redeemed himself and became Gabriel going nuclear. Claire becoming a cold blooded killer. Mohinder becoming some spider-like monster. And Peter taking Sylar's power and becoming like him. He only had his power a short time when he started slicing and dicing his own brother....  |
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Miguel_kiai
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« Reply #31 on: 10/09/08, 10:54:18 AM » |
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Hey I'm new here, and I wanted to know if I was the only one who got pissed off, with the "bennet's house face off" scene? I mean think about it, Future Knox had Noah (Sylar's kid) held, and Future Claire threatens to shoot the kid if Peter don't let himself be murdered. Now stop and analyse the situation, PETER CAN STOP TIME! why didn't he froze time got little Noah out, and came bat to kick some butt!!! Risking the kid's life that way was simply TOO stupid, even for Peter! Specially after he "got" Sylar's power. What's happening to the Serie's Writers? one moment F. Claire, F. Knox and F. Dapnhe are in NY, learning Peter's location through Molly, 30 minutes later they're in Costa Verde?  What? Daphne carried them?? |
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Grim Reapster
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« Reply #32 on: 10/09/08, 11:29:55 AM » |
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Hey I'm new here, and I wanted to know if I was the only one who got pissed off, with the "bennet's house face off" scene? I mean think about it, Future Knox had Noah (Sylar's kid) held, and Future Claire threatens to shoot the kid if Peter don't let himself be murdered. Now stop and analyse the situation, PETER CAN STOP TIME! why didn't he froze time got little Noah out, and came bat to kick some butt!!! Risking the kid's life that way was simply TOO stupid, even for Peter! Specially after he "got" Sylar's power. What's happening to the Serie's Writers? one moment F. Claire, F. Knox and F. Dapnhe are in NY, learning Peter's location through Molly, 30 minutes later they're in Costa Verde? What? Daphne carried them?? Welcome to the forum. And those are good observations that you've made. I thought the same thing about Peter freezing time, and I came to the conclusion that he doesn't really know how to do it yet. He's teleported, and traveled through time. But so far I don't think that we've seen him actually stop time. But as for how they got there so fast, I hadn't even thought of that. Good catch.... My own problem with that scene was the people that were sent to stop Peter and Sylar, and the ease with which they were able to do it. I mean come on...Sylar alone should have been able to mop up the floor with all of them. His telekinesis alone could have stopped them all. The same way he did with Knox and Jesse in the bank. But add in Peter, and the Company team shouldn't stand a chance. If anything he could have turned invisible and saved the kid. Claire wouldn't be able to shoot him, and Daphne couldn't run circles around him. Not to mention that he has telekinesis too. Yeah in my opinion that whole scene was poorly written, and not really thought out....  |
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Miguel_kiai
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« Reply #33 on: 10/09/08, 11:55:30 AM » |
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Yeah, first I thought the excatly same thing about Peter not freezing time, but then I realized he had already "understood" Sylar's power, he SHOULD already know how his abilities work shouldn't he? I mean he automatically got the super speed power and learned how to use it!
About Gabriel not obliteratind Knox and the others without any effort. I believe at the first moment, he didn't want to solve thing with violence and blood (he was not Sylar anymore), that's why he didn't even fought back! but when his kid died, then we all know what hapenned
What you said remided me of another problem. To murder Future Peter, F. Claire took the Haitian with her (very clever) but to confront Peter and Future Sylar TOGETHER she didin't took the Haitian? Why would she do that? she only needed the Haitian to end Peter, that doesn't make sense...
I'm struggling hard not to get disapointed with this new season...
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« Reply #34 on: 10/09/08, 01:39:57 PM » |
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Hey! Why didn't I get welcomed to the forum anyways? And I made a few posts already RG |
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GoldenGait
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« Reply #36 on: 10/09/08, 08:03:47 PM » |
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WHAT I LIKED- ambitious matt actually telling his wife (daphne!) to settle down
- ANSWERS! there are only 3 ali larters! and it was daphne in the rock painting! and mohinder turns into a....hooded serpent!
- yay, adam is back!! and according to angela, he's the 'key' to it all! *spooky music*
WHAT I DID NOT LIKE- also, for new viewers it might be confusing. i spent EVERY single commercial break trying to explain what was going on to my boyfriend. and he even watches the series! after i finally used a terminator analogy, "you know how all the robots came back from the future to kill john conner even though he hadn't done anything yet? they were trying to prevent the catastrophic things that he was going to do in the future..." he sorta got it. sorta.
Ooh, nice post. I agreed with all your unanswered questions, and most of your likes and dislikes (especially Maya), and a couple of your thoughts brought up some questions for me... 1. I didn't like the Matt/Daphne story. That seemed to come out of left field, and not in a good way, like the reveal of Niki/Peter was in 1x20. Daphne seems like she's about 21 years old, while Matt feels close to 40... so it just felt odd, them playing house. This of course will all be forgiven when they meet and fall in love in a wonderfully played out story arc in the natural progression of the series. But for now I'm not a fan. 2. Mohinder turning into a hooded serpent: anyone else have a total Voldemort moment? 3. Do we still think Adam may be the key to it all partially because he's Claire's dad? I heard that theory kicked around a bit when we first met him, since they've got the blonde hair, similar power, and since Meredith seems a little skanky. ;-) This would be awfully difficult considering Adam was imprisoned at the Company when Claire was conceived... 4. Speaking of Terminator: if anyone watches The Sarah Connor Chronicles before flipping over to Heroes... I thought it was interesting that a character died on both this past week because they were fast runners trying to outrun a blast, but neither was quick enough. I also agree with Grim Reapster's suggestion that I Am Become Death refers to several of the heroes. I like the title that way, describing the horrible future possible... Everyone becomes death. And is that a reference to something? A line from Shakespeare or an old Greek poem? I'm sure it's not because the writers just suck at grammar... ;-) Finally, Miguel: great points! I agree, the three heroes vs. Gabriel and Peter shouldn't have stood a chance, but I can see why they wrote things the way they did. (This is more me being devil's advocate--I actually agree with you mostly.) From a common sense standpoint the team should have brought the Haitian to Costa Verde, but in order to have him in the room later while Claire Benihana'd Peter he couldn't be in the explosion--he would have died. So his absence was more of a lazy plot device to keep a later scene running. My other just-for-the-sake-of-argument point is that with Gabriel on the wagon--so to speak--with respect to his abilities, they may have counted on him not resorting to violence or using his powers in front of Noah. The more I think about this episode, the more polarized my opinion of it gets. The stuff I loved gets cooler with each passing day, while at the same time I get more and more bugged by the inconsistencies and of-the-mark performances. But... I think it's still a Top 5 for me. :-) GG[/list] |
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Miguel_kiai
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« Reply #38 on: 10/10/08, 07:14:58 AM » |
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Ooh, nice post. I agreed with all your unanswered questions, and most of your likes and dislikes (especially Maya), and a couple of your thoughts brought up some questions for me...
1. I didn't like the Matt/Daphne story. That seemed to come out of left field, and not in a good way, like the reveal of Niki/Peter was in 1x20. Daphne seems like she's about 21 years old, while Matt feels close to 40... so it just felt odd, them playing house. This of course will all be forgiven when they meet and fall in love in a wonderfully played out story arc in the natural progression of the series. But for now I'm not a fan.
2. Mohinder turning into a hooded serpent: anyone else have a total Voldemort moment?
3. Do we still think Adam may be the key to it all partially because he's Claire's dad? I heard that theory kicked around a bit when we first met him, since they've got the blonde hair, similar power, and since Meredith seems a little skanky. ;-) This would be awfully difficult considering Adam was imprisoned at the Company when Claire was conceived...
4. Speaking of Terminator: if anyone watches The Sarah Connor Chronicles before flipping over to Heroes... I thought it was interesting that a character died on both this past week because they were fast runners trying to outrun a blast, but neither was quick enough.
I also agree with Grim Reapster's suggestion that I Am Become Death refers to several of the heroes. I like the title that way, describing the horrible future possible... Everyone becomes death. And is that a reference to something? A line from Shakespeare or an old Greek poem? I'm sure it's not because the writers just suck at grammar... ;-)
Finally, Miguel: great points! I agree, the three heroes vs. Gabriel and Peter shouldn't have stood a chance, but I can see why they wrote things the way they did. (This is more me being devil's advocate--I actually agree with you mostly.) From a common sense standpoint the team should have brought the Haitian to Costa Verde, but in order to have him in the room later while Claire Benihana'd Peter he couldn't be in the explosion--he would have died. So his absence was more of a lazy plot device to keep a later scene running. My other just-for-the-sake-of-argument point is that with Gabriel on the wagon--so to speak--with respect to his abilities, they may have counted on him not resorting to violence or using his powers in front of Noah.
The more I think about this episode, the more polarized my opinion of it gets. The stuff I loved gets cooler with each passing day, while at the same time I get more and more bugged by the inconsistencies and of-the-mark performances. But... I think it's still a Top 5 for me. :-)
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1- Yeah, I`ve felt like the hole Matt/Daphne things was pushed down our throats, without any background and no chemestry whatsoever between the actors, it just didin't convinced me too. 2- For me, F. Mohinder looked much more a Hooded bug then serpent like, there was a moment where he crawled super fast, thas was bugish to me. And the whole scene reminded me of Morlocks (those of X-men comics), because he looked ashamed an frightnened, and not proud end dangerous like Voldemort (by the way i'm NOT a fan of Harry Pothead). In the other hand, there was something dark and menanceful in his behavior, and his voice was spooky, so that's Voldemort influence right there. The hole "Monsterhinder" thing reminds me a lot that old movie "the Fly" 3- don't even consider that possibility....  4- Coincidences... ironic huh? About I am Become Death title, I also agree with Grim Reapster's suggestion that it refers to several of the heroes but also, refers specially to Peter, because in the end (in the normal serie's timeline) he was the only one who became something diferrent. GoldenGait, You actually made a great job as devil's advocate I almost forgiven the writters, but no ones saves the unsavable, this scene is one i'd like to forget! lets Hope for better Writting in the next episodes  Now Heroes is in a dangerous ground, with understanding of "how things work" Peter just became a very dificult character to meddle with, let's see what they got in store for him... |
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« Reply #39 on: 10/10/08, 09:55:13 AM » |
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I also agree with Grim Reapster's suggestion that I Am Become Death refers to several of the heroes. I like the title that way, describing the horrible future possible... Everyone becomes death. And is that a reference to something? A line from Shakespeare or an old Greek poem? I'm sure it's not because the writers just suck at grammar... ;-)
its from the bhagavad gita Thanks for the info! Unfortunately, the source doesn't clarify (for me, anyways) who I Am Become Death refers to in this episode. I think it still covers multiple people, on a bunch of different levels. Since the Bhagavad Gita is Hindu mythology, that awards another point to a Mohinder reference. In BG, Krishna is the one speaking, as a "youthful prince giving direction and guidance" (Wikipedia... yeah, I know, not the strongest reference). Who gave the direction and guidance in this episode? Future!Peter? The full line is "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds", and in 1945 J. Oppenheimer quoted it when he saw the first nuclear test. The nuclear connection makes me think the title is a reference to Gabriel, who nuked all of Costa Verde. You could also make a case for a Past!Peter reference, since during the episode he takes on Sylar's power and "becomes" a killer with the death of Future!Nathan. Or you could argue for a Claire reference. Since she is unable to die, she will outlive us all, like Death, and it seems she has become more cold and vicious is the future, too, taking lives because she deems it necessary, but without much emotion or guilt. GG |
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Topic: 3x04 - I Am Become Death