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Question: Is Future Ando or Future Hiro the Villian?
Future Ando   -5 (35.7%)
Future Hiro   -7 (50%)
Future Robot Hiro   -2 (14.3%)
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« on: 09/24/08, 04:26:50 PM »

What do you think was happening in the short glimpse of the future that hiro got?
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« Reply #1 on: 09/24/08, 05:33:16 PM »

Ando (if that truly WAS him) must've been brainwashed! Sure he's got a penchant for dangerous women and would prefer to be rich instead of a hero...I just can't see him turning bad. And no matter how 'evil' Ando ever got, he would NEVER shoot Hiro with that...ummm..errr, red flame!

*crossing fingers hoping that heroes writers don't make me eat my words*
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« Reply #2 on: 09/24/08, 05:54:54 PM »

Future Peter, though, appeared to have Candice's power (to alter his appearance) as well as other new powers.
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« Reply #3 on: 09/24/08, 06:01:48 PM »

Hiro attacked Ando.  Ando defended himself.  I think Hiro went insane in his quest to retrieve the formula.
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« Reply #4 on: 09/24/08, 06:59:41 PM »

Hiro attacked Ando.  Ando defended himself.  I think Hiro went insane in his quest to retrieve the formula.
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« Reply #5 on: 09/25/08, 07:16:30 AM »

Hiro attacked Ando.  Ando defended himself.  I think Hiro went insane in his quest to retrieve the formula.
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Yeah I think this is the case. I really hope not. I don't want either to be baddies Cry
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« Reply #6 on: 09/25/08, 07:19:10 AM »

If it even was Ando. Both F.P. and Sylar can appear as someone else.
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« Reply #7 on: 09/25/08, 09:08:52 AM »

it might be one of those "misunderstanding" fights that happen between heroes in most cross over books
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« Reply #8 on: 09/25/08, 11:30:19 AM »

well, what we DO know is that the future scenes that the writers tease us with --whether with paintings, time travel, or dreams-- are never exactly as they appear (ahem, hiro fighting a dinosaur? Mohinder killing HRG? NY blowing up?)

that's the thing about only seeing one short scene out of context...i'm sure that whatever reasoning we all come up with there will definintely be a twist to what ACTUALLY happens.  by the way, any ideas on why ando's 'flame' was red (as opposed to claire's mom's real flame, or that new villains blue flame??)
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« Reply #9 on: 09/25/08, 05:52:42 PM »

I agree with all of you. Since Hiro always thinks of himself as the Hero, he automatically assumed that Ando was the villain. But in fact there's not enough evidence yet to tell who's the bad guy in that scene.

And Manderlin's absolutely right, future Hiro attacked first. Ando was defending himself. And it's entirely possible that future Ando didn't kill him as Hiro believed. Yeah he hit him with that red lightning (or whatever), but he may have only stunned him. Hiro just assumed that he saw his own death.

Of course the city exploding would have killed him. And probably Ando as well.

That said, does anyone else think that it was a bit too coincidental that Hiro jumped ahead to the same place that he and Ando were standing, and Future Hiro and future Ando just happened to be confronting each other in the same place; and over the same piece of paper?

I mean come on, what are the odds that they'd be confronting each other in exactly the same spot, and Hiro just happened to jump to that exact moment?

Unless Nathan's right, and some supreme being is involved. Which I hope isn't the case. Personally I could do without the pseudo religious crap.... Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: 09/25/08, 08:06:11 PM »

Unfortunately, Mohinder has been spouting pseudo-religion since day 1, in his monologues.  It's an integral part of the show.  But in the case of Nathan, I think he's putting on a show, or he's being influenced by some invisible force (Linderman?) for some unknown purpose.  Somehow that purpose ties into Tracy's calling on him.

I can give a reason Hiro went to that time: The world exploded there.  He couldn't have traveled any further into the future.
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« Reply #11 on: 09/26/08, 03:43:16 AM »

I can give a reason Hiro went to that time: The world exploded there.  He couldn't have traveled any further into the future.

Well he may have gone further. But if the world really did explode, Hiro would find himself floating in space.

Hiro leaping to that exact moment reminds me of other shows...like Quantum Leap, or Doctor Who. Where the main character always jumps to some pivotal moment in time where they're needed.

But in those shows it's suggested that something is deliberately sending them there. With Doctor Who it's his ship the Tardis. In Quantum Leap it was always suggested that it was actually God.

And you're right, Heroes has always had this pseudo religious undertone. What with suggestions that everything is happening for a reason, and the unexplained symbol appearing over, and over. And now the painting of the Earth exploding shown in at least two different locations.

It doesn't bother me that the show is suggesting that some supreme being may be work, I just don't like it when characters start getting preachy. I don't watch these shows to hear a sermon.

For instance, I love the show "Lost". In the beginning my favorite character was Locke. He was tough and cool...a bad-ass. But them he started becoming obsessed with his belief in destiny, and the Island manipulating it. And even though he seems to be right, it still annoys me that the writers turned him into a fanatic for yet another false religion.

That said, personally I think that Nathan's being manipulated by someone. Linderman perhaps. And speaking of Linderman, anyone have any ideas why he's not dead?
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« Reply #12 on: 09/26/08, 07:41:08 AM »

He's not dead because he shares in Claire and Adam's ability.  That's my thought.
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« Reply #13 on: 09/26/08, 07:41:49 AM »

I think he is dead. I think Linderman is a figment of Nathan's imagination. I think the reason he (Nathan) healed so fast (but not completely) is maybe he has a little of Adam Monroe's blood left over in his system.
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« Reply #14 on: 09/26/08, 11:17:35 AM »

dang it!  I had this awesome respionse and the stupid thing timed me out and kicked me off before it posted! no bueno!

I'll shorten it then.

1.  Hiro is the villan.  Ando is on the defensive.
2.  Linderman is very real.  I don't believe he's a figment of Nathan's imagination.  that's a really weak storyline to re-introduce such a complex character, and that would be a big dis-service to someone like Linderman.
3.  I dont think its a regeneration power.  I think its something else.
4.  The Helix means, "Godsend" or "God gives great abilities"  its got religious undertones written all over the premise.  There's no escape.  personally, I like the way the do it without doing it.  However, even as a religious person, the Nathan rant about God was a little too much for me.
5.  Hiro's pin point accuracy is a non issue.  You have to tell a story and you have to tell it in an alotted amount of time.  I personally wouldn't want to watch hiro aimlessly traveling through time for days and days trying to get to a certain location.  Thats just boring and doesn't add anything to his character.  Its better to just make it easy for him sometimes and let him end up exactly where he needs to be.  It moves the story forward rather than slow things down.
6.  IF thats still not enough, you can say that he needed to travel to a time to see the results of the formula.  He goes to where the formula does the most damage, which is where he sees his own demise.  Kind of like an added bonus to his foresight. 

Just my thoughts and theories. 
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