General Discussion

[onlyamessenger]

I like everyone's ideas!

[movieman92]

my top ten for season 2 so far is

1. Peter Petrelli
2. Monica
3. Nathan
4. Claire
5. Niki
6. Sylar
7. Matt
8. Mohinder
9. Noah Bennet
10. Maya

[fantasyfanatic]

top 10 :
1) peter (as always)
2) sylar (soo evil but i wanna see more of him)
3) Claire (though shes a bit bitchy l8ly)
4) adam (wanna find out what hes like)
5) monica (powers kool)
6)elle ( shes just kool)
7)matt ( i wanna find out wot else he can do)
mr bennet ( we still dont no much about him)
9) hiro ( hes funny)
10) claude ( hes got a cool power and i like his role)

[Hellish Gnome]

Mine for the last episode (Cautionary Tales)

10. Mohinder (I doubt I'll ever convince him for shooting HRG . But still, he gets on the list because at least he THOUGHT he was doing it for the right reasons...)
9. Angela (Gave us even more of an insight into the past of the older heroes and completed the last piece of the puzzle.)
8. Kaito (Great that he finally told Hiro he's proud of him as wel as giving important lessons concerning playing God)
7.  Hiro (He didn't achieve anything apart from find out what the audience already knows! Still, his speech at the end was far better then anything Mohinder comes up with.)
6. Bob (Moral greyness at its best! )
5. Claire (I was so happy that deep down she still loved her Dad and wanted him to he safe. Plus it was her blood that ressurected Bennet)
4. Matt (Great to see his power starting to develop more and more and a look at his darker side)
3. Elle (Nice to get a futhrt insight into her backstory and she used her powers in several awesome ways this episode)
2. West (The first time he's got to do anything really useful for the plot and you gotta admire his bravery.)
1. HRG (Just...obvious! )

[doctor70094]

hmmm...where's the volume two list.?

[strongbad_wi]

NEW POWER 10??

[Manderlin]

Make your own list.  The movers and shakers this time were
1. Future Peter (easily.  Shooting Nathan is enough.  Then locking up Peter, teleporting Matt, "rescuing" Claire, and much more.)
2. Sylar (gaining immortality, sending Claire down a new path, killing Bob, triggering Elle)
3. Elle (one small outburst, but what power, and what consequences!)
4. Mohinder (discovering how to become a hero, and following through)
5. Angela (visions, taking control of the Company, firing Elle, telling FP what's what)
6. Daphne (stealing the code, showing up Hiro)
7. Hiro (keeping up with Daphne)
8. Tracy
9. Linderman
10. Matt

[TRu]

Make your own list.  The movers and shakers this time were
1. Future Peter (easily.  Shooting Nathan is enough.  Then locking up Peter, teleporting Matt, "rescuing" Claire, and much more.)
2. Sylar (gaining immortality, sending Claire down a new path, killing Bob, triggering Elle)
3. Elle (one small outburst, but what power, and what consequences!)
4. Mohinder (discovering how to become a hero, and following through)
5. Angela (visions, taking control of the Company, firing Elle, telling FP what's what)
6. Daphne (stealing the code, showing up Hiro)
7. Hiro (keeping up with Daphne)
8. Tracy
9. Linderman
10. Matt

That's a spot on list Manderlin!  I agree with pretty much all of it!   

[D Rok]

Make your own list.  The movers and shakers this time were
1. Future Peter (easily.  Shooting Nathan is enough.  Then locking up Peter, teleporting Matt, "rescuing" Claire, and much more.)
2. Sylar (gaining immortality, sending Claire down a new path, killing Bob, triggering Elle)
3. Elle (one small outburst, but what power, and what consequences!)
4. Mohinder (discovering how to become a hero, and following through)
5. Angela (visions, taking control of the Company, firing Elle, telling FP what's what)
6. Daphne (stealing the code, showing up Hiro)
7. Hiro (keeping up with Daphne)
8. Tracy
9. Linderman
10. Matt

I agree mostly, with a few minor changes.

1.  FP
2. Sylar
3. Elle (man that was awesome)
4. Angela (she's such a little bia bia and added so much to this premiere...she's a character im really excited to see what happens with.)
5.Daphne (batman/catwoman, love it!)
6. Tracy (the shock of the freeze left me speechless for the entire commerical break)
7. Hiro
8. Linderman
9. Matt
10.  Mohinder.  I really just did not like what they did with him.  I mean aside from the super hot side b00b, i didn't really care what they were doing with his character.  I liked everything up until he started climbing walls and cut and pasting the bathroom scene from The Fly.

overall though, I agree with your top 3 completely!

[Isaac Mendez]

1. Maya for being so upset with Mohinder's failed promises...
2. Elle for the awesome fight with Sylar
3. Sylar for attacking Claire
4. Usutsu for having precog painting powers!
5. The Turtle for confusing idiot Matt
6. Meredith for popping up again!
7. Linderman see Meredith
8. Tracy for being so nifty yet confusing....lol
9. Peter for getting trapped in someone else's body....lol
10. Angela for being such a cool b*t*h.

[D Rok]

hahahahahaha! the turtle! thats hilarious!

[Manderlin]

Okay episode 3: One of us, one of them
1. Angela gets her way with Sylar and HRG
2. Sylar.  Where did he get the power of commanding presence with police officers?
3. HRG.  Yeah, he meant for Sylar to rescue him.  He wasn't so hot on the head thing, but hey he shot somebody too.
4. Meredith and Mrs. Bennett for teaching Claire some sense.
5. Micah, uncovering Tracy's background.
6. Knox. Killed the German, and escaped capture.

Everybody else didn't really matter.  Hiro and Ando get negative power points, and Daphne just got lucky.

[D Rok]

Episode 3:

1.  Sylar (stole the episode for me...he was classic)
2.  Knox (what an awesome concept for a power)
3.  Meredith (I thought that scene in the container was one of the best in the episode.  I know most disagree, but I thought it was absolutely fantastic)
4.  Jesse Murphy (okay, even though it was really peter, his power is pretty badass)
5.  Angela (she's good...really good)
6.  HRG (doesn't have a power, but his banter with Sylar was priceless)
7.  Mr. Muggles
8.  Micah (if we don't see him around for a while, I won't complain  )
9.  FP (pushing PP out of the body was actually pretty sweet, and the way he stopped time in the middle of the sound wave was pretty badass too)
10. Parkman (getting temporary future painting...kinda cool)

[Deceit]

Glad to see people adding to the POWER 10. This week we're going to start posting POWER 10 on the front page (as well as on here). Each weekly post will feature top 10 lists from the forum goers. One will be featured for incoming viewers to see on the front page, with additional lists from members embedded within the post (viewers will be able to click a "Read More" button to view the rest).  The first front page post for POWER 10 will go up this Friday. Hopefully we can keep this trend going, thus making it a staple for the site.
"I Am Become Death"
10. Future/Mohinder
- The hook is that everyone wants to see what Mohinder becomes. The letdown is that, so far, the side plot has been nothing short of taking The Fly and applying it to Heroes. The only thing that could save this character is if Mohinder doesn't look like a bug. Maybe there's some cool twist. Maybe Mohinder eventually sheds his skin and looks like Isaac Mendez. I think having a twist on a generic ability such as shape-shifting would be cool. But alas, in this episode Mohinder didn't offer much. Just enough to tide us over until the next episode.

9. Hiro
- The simple fact that Future Claire ranked higher than Hiro on my list should be a sign of how I feel about this character with great potential. We're into the third season, and we have yet to see the present-day badass Hiro the writers have been teasing since season one. At least Claire is taking steps to fighting back. Hiro plays the comic relief role. Even Ando has a more serious role. Hiro is still immature, still jumps to conclusions, still gets stuck in ridiculous situations, and still can't get the job done.

8. Ando
- Even without powers, Ando plays a very important role. A role that Hiro may stop taking for granted. Many have underestimated Ando because he isn't an evolved human. Ando did a great job in standing up for Hiro in front of Angela. As of right now, I think Ando is a stronger character than Hiro. And again, he's not 'one of them'.

7. Future Claire
- She's tough, and I want to see what moves might lead Claire to becoming like her future counterpart. I find Claire's personality change a little more believable (for Heroes) than Mohinder's transformation. She can ditch the dark hair, though. Hollywood has effectively run the Wachowski future fashion into the ground. Let it die.

6. Peter
- I'm still not a Peter Petrelli fan, but at least he wasn't completely worthless in this episode. While I still dislike him being the center of attention, he's still a better character than his future self (who is now dead, but probably not for good). Fighting on the same side as Gabriel was interesting, even if circumstances made it obvious beforehand. Plus a question from season one has been revived. Between Peter and Sylar, who is the hero and who is the villain? Maybe season one Sylar got it right.

5. Future/Matt
- I'm really not sure what else I can say that hasn't already been said. He saw the future Peter was in. What I really wanted to cover was covered in the previous paragraph. That said, I liked how Matt was able to have a family in the future (albeit not as normal as he had hoped). It's just a shame it happened to be with a different blonde woman (Daphne), but also that it didn't end well. Matt always gets the short end of the stick, but at least he keeps moving forward (unlike other characters).

4. Tracy
- At first I was skeptical about Tracy. I wasn't a big fan of Niki's multiple personalities, and I just assumed Tracy would be similar to Niki. I was wrong. Niki's tough woman image was getting stale. In this episode, Tracy opens up, and for once gives Nathan (and an Ali Larter character) a relatively normal foundation to build on.  I buy into Tracy as a lost and confused character separate from Niki.

3. Linderman
- As far as we know, he only has one ability. Which may or may not explain how he survived season one, but definitely does not explain his limited appearance. It also doesn't explain the implication that he's an "angel" or perhaps a dangerous person, if Angela was referring to Linderman. While Linderman didn't get a lot of face time, those two implications bring him to the forefront of the plot. Is he an angel? Is he the threat Angela is afraid of? Heroes tends to explain a lot of things quickly. Let's hope this mystery continues through the season, or at least through Villains.

2. Nathan
- See: Tracy. That explains it all. The big debate now will be whether or not Nathan does Linderman's bidding.

1. Future Gabriel
- Season three is definitely an improvement when it comes to providing memorable moments. We're just at the tip of the season three iceberg, and we've already had a great scene with Claire (the "I want to hurt him" moment from episode 3). It's time to add one more to the list. The entire Future Gabriel character was phenomenal. In the span of minutes, I was rooting for the man formerly known as Sylar. He made me believe that Sylar can change. This character provided the most powerful and memorable moment of the season so far, perhaps even of the entire series. No one watches Heroes expecting to see a kinder, gentler Gabriel tending to his murdered toddler. Nothing about that is expected, at very least not before the mid-season break or the season finale. The reaction of Gabriel was amazing, and the outcome had quite a dramatic effect. Every character being portrayed in Heroes has some flaw. An actor is never going to fit into the role in every aspect. At least that's what I thought before this episode. To me, Future Gabriel is what I thought impossible. Who knows what will happen in future episodes, but for this one, he's perfect.

[Manderlin]

Two episodes later, we now know that Linderman, #3 above, was actually Maury putting images in peoples' heads.

Now for the light episode.
Non-players: Fire woman, Angela, HRG, Nathan, Maury.

10. Claire/Sandra team up to outwit the Puppet Master, who thereby falls off the list.  He had very low ambitions and utterly failed in them.
9. Mohinder traps Nathan and Tracy.  But he totally failed with Daphne.  And he failed to account for Tracy's ability (which he saw!).  So Tracy gets this spot, and Mohinder gets nada.
8. Dapne aka Mercury, the winged messenger.  She really got the message around.  And she uncovered Mohinder's lair and escaped.  But she showed key weakness in not being willing to defy her bosses.
7. Matt followed his turtle and found Daphne.  (Some would argue she found him, but they are wrong ) He totally owned the conversation though, and is going to push Daphne to the bright side.
6. Hiro, also sent on an errand, gets key insight into the villains.
5. Utusu shows his precog mastery and gets the better of Hiro 3 times before showing Hiro the true path.
4. Knox contained Adam, leading to Adam's demise and Arthur's revival.
3. Gabriel overmastered Daphne before letting her go.  He released Peter, and directed him on to Pine Crest.
2. But Peter totally overpowered him.  In a flash of power, he demonstrated how strong he has become.

1. Arthur Petrelli however stole the show.  He mentally frightened Adam (the man of no fear), leading to that moment of contact where he killed the immortal and became immortal himself.  Then at the end in a show of false compassion robbed Peter of *all* his powers.  He should be quite unstoppable now.